iseekgolfguru writes:
For those who have not worked this out the main people moderating this site are TGMers and has been for years. This is a TGM principled based forum. So far nobody has come up with anything that falls outside the book, so we cater for much of what goes on. If it falls outside the boarders then it can be kicked around elsewhere.
So do F1 drivers fix their own cars? Hell no. Can they converse with their mechanics and support crew? A good driver can. How may ex-tour pro’s coach? Few because they can hit the ball but not communicate how they do it. How many retired sporting greats end up coaching national teams or high level performers. Few.
If people wish to use terms that have different meanings and interpretations of what is mean then Dart and I will always ask to keep the terminology meaning the same thing. In this thread hitting and swinging have been bastardised to the confusion of too many. Indeed its called hitting in this thread yet is a CF pivot controlled action, swinging, elsewhere that ISGers have found.
Lets look a few claims:
Pivot Stall being promoted in TGM for hitters is frankly laughable.
The unhooking or PP#4 is also totally misinterpreted.
Right arm thrust vs use of #2 and #3 to keep shaft flex shows a total misunderstanding between what is working the #2 (wrist cock and roll).
Post impact speed is key to TGM all the way through to Both Arms Straight and up the Finish Swivel procedure, not AT the ball.
Golf is a power game, that is pure TGM, delivered On Plane. Why is that geometry before physics? They go together.
A FLW will happen if forces do not suffer from Quitting, Steering, Bobbing and Swaying. Hardly a vapour trail there.
For those who have read all this thread you will have seen these comments before.
Paul,
Welcome to San Francisco!
I agree, this thread has always been rooted in TGM basics and understanding. Glad to hear you agree that no one has come up with anything that has fallen outside of the book. I have done my best to try and explain the actions of many of the greatest ball strikers of all time using quotes from TGM as you well know.
What do you think of Stack and Tilt stuff? does that fall outside of the borders you find acceptable for you boundaries? Just curious really.
Paul, I think your analogy of the car and mechanic is simply poor, because in golf, the car and driver are occupying the same place in space. In golf, you are both the car and the driver.. I think it's good to understand the mechanics of what you are doing in case you break down a long way from the shop, like the first tee, and a tow won't be available till after the 19th hole cart girl brings beverages.
I agree that you and Dart have bastardized the use of hitting and swinging.. no argument here.. reading the yellow book is very clear in what is going on there.. you might want to pick up the book and have a re read as I did this year. I appreciate your suggestion that I visit Lynn Blake's site, but a few of my students have sent over some lesson vids of his that I took a quick glance at, and from what I saw, Lynn is teaching two version of swinging.. one with a passive hand and arm throw out to right field, and another active right arm driving to right field. Homer is clear that both of these methods are in fact based on a swinger's protocol.
I'll be addressing your 7 points of interest in the coming threads..
Welcome to San Francisco iseekgolfguru!