How the Greats Setup

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How the Greats Setup

Postby nfbandon » Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:09 am

I think it is very difficult to be a hitter without a wide base:
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I think Moe Norman talked of the image of a pyramid.

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Re: How the Greats Setup

Postby lagpressure » Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:35 am

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Re: How the Greats Setup

Postby LesMurray » Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:37 am

I've always tried to have my feet shoulder width apart. But looking at these images, it appears that I should set up even wider, so that the instep of my feet should be just outside my shoulders. Funny how the Mod 2 board reinforces this, like John knew what he was talking about :lol:
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Re: How the Greats Setup

Postby Hope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:02 pm

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Re: How the Greats Setup

Postby Hope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:22 pm

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NF wrote: "I think it is very difficult to be a hitter without a wide base"

I definitely see that many of the best ball strikers of all time have that wide base. Im not trying to disagree with you just interested in your estimation. I see your point but also wanted to point out that there are other really great "hitters" that do not have that wide base. I don't know that I see the advantage of the extreme wide base unless you have the crazy flexibility of Ben Hogan which 99% of us do not. I think that it would be interesting to experiment with this stuff! (but only after my year contract with the local yoga class expires :D )

So why do you think that it is very difficult to be a hitter without a wide base? It appears that ABS is fundamental on this.
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Re: How the Greats Setup

Postby nfbandon » Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:27 pm

A wider base allows for more ROM and provides a more stable base, but most importantly it gives us the potential to feel more pressure in our feet and inner thighs. It isn't impossible to hit with a narrow base. Tiger has narrowed is stance since going with Foley and after his knee surgery...and was never a hitter as we define it anyway. Furyk isn't a hitter. Sergio...well I have always wanted to go up to him and kick his right leg out six inches just to see what happens...he has always looked awkwardly narrow. Faldo and Snead May not be super wide, but they certainly aren't narrow.
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Re: How the Greats Setup

Postby k2baloo » Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:54 pm

nfbandon wrote:A wider base allows for more ROM and provides a more stable base, but most importantly it gives us the potential to feel more pressure in our feet and inner thighs. It isn't impossible to hit with a narrow base. Tiger has narrowed is stance since going with Foley and after his knee surgery...and was never a hitter as we define it anyway. Furyk isn't a hitter. Sergio...well I have always wanted to go up to him and kick his right leg out six inches just to see what happens...he has always looked awkwardly narrow. Faldo and Snead May not be super wide, but they certainly aren't narrow.


ROM? Does that mean range of motion? For whatever reason I can't see why a wider base would allow for more range of motion? When I visualize it a wider base would seem to restrict motion a touch. Of course, I am not sure what you mean by ROM.

Also, how do you define hitters? I was under the impression Tiger is, especially with his irons and that Furyk always has been as well...
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Re: How the Greats Setup

Postby Range Rat » Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:29 am

Here's a short and interesting link re: base support and center of gravity.
http://www.humankinetics.com/excerpts/excerpts/five-factors-determine-stability-and-mobility
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Re: How the Greats Setup

Postby nfbandon » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:12 am

Yeah, range of motion. ROM in the sense that it gives you more width, and on a flatter swing plane. Think about it...most wide stance players swing flat. Regarding Tiger...I really have no idea what he is doing. RR interesting stuff...perhaps that is another reason many of the greats setup wide and pulled the back foot back. Hard to land an uppercut with a narrow, open stance.
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Re: How the Greats Setup

Postby nfbandon » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:08 am

Faldo's base was plenty wide...at least back in the day:
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I forgot to address Furyk, who has great control of his clubface through the strike. I view him as a dead hands, body pivot guy. He doesn't use forearm rotation to start the delivery sequence. So no, he is not a hitter in the ABS sense, IMO.
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